Category: Karel Knize Trichocereus Field Guide

KK339 Trichocereus pachanoi

KK339 Trichocereus pachanoi

KK339 Trichocereus pachanoi is an Ecuadorian San Pedro!

This wonderful plant is one of the most interesting plants distributed by the Peruvian wholesaler Karel Knize. The species is pretty much the archetype of an Ecuadorian Pachanoi. This type is extremely typical for what we know from Ecuador. The plants can be bright green or glaucus and have strong V-notches that are very dominant. In fact, those Ecuadorian San Pedros tend be misidentified as Tom Juul´s Giant. People see how different they are to the Peruvian counterparts and believe that it might actually be a TJG.

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KK339 Trichocereus pachanoi comes from Chan Chan in Ecuador. Knize had no further background information on the plant and I will try to get some more photos in the future. If you have photos of this or any other KK type, please send me a message!

Those photos were donated by Rodni and Delia Kisar of Trichocereus.com.au

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KK242 – Trichocereus cuzcoensis & more!

KK242 – Trichocereus cuzcoensis & more!

KK242 Trichocereus cuzcoensis is a collection number by the Peruvian seed & cactus seller Karel Knize. He is know for his many Trichocereus species and KK242 was one of them. But it´s not actually a species because we grew all kinds of different species from those KK242 seeds. Most were Trichocereus cuzcoensis, but that´s definitely not the complete story.

Most of the plants labeled as KK242 are representative for a very typical Trichocereus cuzcoensis. However, the KK242 is simply a collection name that stands for the area where the plants come from. And within that area, there are all kinds of different populations and all were sold using the same name. Imagine you live in a town and every plant is given the same collection name. That is what´s actually going on with KK242. Like already mentioned, the largest part of the plants labeled KK242 are Trichocereus cuzoensis. That is also because the name became the archetype of a typical Cuzcoensis and there are many people that label every one of their cuzcoensis plants “KK242”.And that´s neither correct nor practicable.

Now, most of the KK242s on the market were distributed by Knize´s website. If I remember correctly, none of the KK242 sold was actually labeled as Trichocereus cuzcoensis.

Those are the KK242 collections that I know of:

KK242 Trichocereus peruvianus – Matucana (frosted stem, brown spines)
KK242 Trichocereus peruvianus – Rio Chillon (from central Peru)
KK242 Trichocereus peruvianus – form. Langa
KK242 Trichocereus peruvianus – Rio Lurin (please note that the Lurin Trichocereus is actually a peruvianus, despite it being labeled as KK242!)
KK242 Trichocereus peruvianus – Huancavelica (which probably is a Peruvianus too)

Please note that apart from those different collection sites, there were cuttings and seeds from all kinds of mother plants sold and distributed throughout the world. That means that seed labeled as Kk242 can produce all kinds of plants, not just the KK242 Cuzcoensis.

Where to buy seeds and plants of KK242? : Well, if you are looking for a KK242, it is your lucky day. And that is because they are everywhere. On Ebay, a large part of the Trichocereus species sold are actually KK242s. Nonetheless, there also are other cuzcoensis varieties that you can encounter and many of them might even be labeled KK242, though they actually are a different cuzcoensis type from another location. And that´s why the bad image that the species Trichocereus cuzcoensis, or the KK242 in particular, receives is not justified. They are wonderful and amazing specimens and have such a great diversity that it´s totally not fair to reduce KK242 to that well know cuzcoensis type from Matucana. Some seed sellers might even have some KK242 in stock (and potentially labeled as Trichocereus peruvianus) though they are not aware of it. Most seed collectors or seed producers just label them “Trichocereus peruvianus” and since they don´t have the space or the funds to grow them all before they offer the seed, they don´t or simply can´t test it. Many people that sell cactus seed are still poor and they neither have the funds to grow them nor the knowledge to ID them. Of course, there are very skilled Taxonomists and Botanists from countries like Peru, Argentina or Bolivia. But there also are many people selling seeds or cuttings that are not.
Mislabeled seed is a problem that almost every seed salesman has to face from time to time and I know of a couple of cases in which large shop owners stopped doing business with certain collectors/wholesalers who sell mislabeled seeds that brought them into trouble with their customers. I recently came across someone who was pretty pissed for receiving a KK242 instead of the Tr. Peruvianus that he ordered. And with a good reason. But I guess it comes with the job that stuff like this happens from time to time. And if I were in the position of someone who ended up getting a cuzcoensis instead of a peruvianus, I´d just message the seller and explain the problem. You know, there are so many different types, varieties, and even intermediates, that it´s sometimes impossible to draw the line somewhere. Again, Trichocereus cuzcoensis is SO MUCH MORE than just KK242. And there are countless peruvianus types that are somehow related to cuzcoensis and show or two traits that are typical for cuzcoensis too.
Most wholesale seed collectors label their plant “Trichocereus Peruvianus” and keeping in mind the current taxonomy (which tends to merge the plants into a bigger species), it might even be the correct taxonomical label. Personally, I think a shop owner should add as much information about the background of a plant that he has, in order to give the customer a vague idea of what he can expect to grow. But since that´s not always possible (due to collectors just not labeling plants right) it´s the stuff that will always happen. And usually, that´s not because the seller is greedy SOB who wants to rip-off his customers, but because there aren’t so many people around who can keep peruvianus and cuzcoensis apart. Those collectors rarely are skilled with ID and though they sometimes know how the type they collect seed of is called by the locals, it´s far from being reliable. There are cuzcoensis forms available from Peru that come labeled as Trichocereus macrogonus or Trichocereus peruvianus. Because that´s how the other collectors labeled them. And chances are that other collectors will use the same name in the future, whenever they collect seed of that plant.

It´s not hard to recognize the KK242 cuzcoensis, but as I already said…where to draw the line? There are so many intermediatory forms that it´s kinda pointless because you´ll end up calling some perfectly peruvianoid types a Trichocereus cuzcoensis, just based on the fact that it has a couple characteristics that also exist on a cuzco.
Most of the people who offer “cuzcoensis” labeled as “peruvianus” probably weren’t even aware of the fact that their plants are more on the cuzco end of the spectrum. And since modern taxonomy went on to merge a lot of those species into the larger ones like “peruvianus” and “pachanoi”, this might happen a lot more in the future. And when dealing with seed collectors that visit local populations in Peru, Bolivia or anywhere else in the world…it´s rare that they include the collection sites with their seed or even add pics. I know many wholesalers, who have to grow their seed just to know what type they have bought. And if you keep in mind that some of those plants will take 3-5 years until they are big  enough to say anything about the local population, it get´s obvious that the remaining seed would have already become unviable in the meantime. And that is a problem that will never really go away. Of course, it´s actually a pretty bad situation but the short lifespan of some seeds is the reason why there are so many shaky ID´s when buying seed from Peru; or other areas where cacti are grown as commercial crops. But despite the fact that it can be frustrating to find out that you ended up buying mislabeled seed…I still prefer it to getting unviable seed.  Because thats the only thing worse than getting mislabeled seed.

So yeah, always ask where the seed is coming from. And ask about how fresh it is too! An honest seed supplier is EXTREMELY important because when growing plants from seed, a lot of this is based on trust. From all the cactus seed, I bought in my lifetime, at least 1/3 was unviable or misidentified. And as a buyer, that´s something that you can´t prevent. Some crosses just are bad or are a genetic mismatch. Or, some seeds are just too old.
So yeah, if there are issues with seeds contact your seed supplier and tell them/ask for a replacement. Not only can you help to weed out unreliable suppliers but you give the store owner a fair and honest feedback.  KK242 Trichocereus cuzcoensis is a type that is notorious for having a whole lot of bad seed available on the market. I honestly only heard about one or two people who successfully raised some of them from seed. One of them is the SAB store by the way. Apart from the two I just mentioned, I only heard of unviable KK242 seed. That doesn’t mean that there is/was no good KK242 Trichocereus cuzcoensis on the market…but please be careful when buying this type of seed because a lot of it is, well let´s call it “difficult”.

I have many pics on this website and most of them include data about where the plants are growing. It´s not always possible to guess how a seedling might look like in the future, but the collection site is a good starting point.
If you have pics of different KK242s, please let me know our Trichocereus Facebook group and I´ll add them to the site.

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Another type that Knize sold as KK242. Please note that this plant looks nothing like the KK242 Cuzcoensis. It´s possible that it is related to the more Cuzcoensis type KK242, but it´s a great reminder that KK242 is nothing but a “location” and not, the plant!

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T_peruvianus_KK242_JLH_TroutThe plant above is what was grown from KK242 Seeds from JLH.

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KK242 – Rio Lurin or Lurin Valle

This Form is a Plant that is very different from the KK242 Cuzcoensis that became so common around the World. It´s more of a standard Trichocereus Peruvianus and looks absolutely stunning as an Adult Plant! Great Type!

TRICHOCEREUS KK242 Bridgesii

So this Peruvianus was grown from a KK242 Seed Bag. It is obviously not the typical Cuzcoensis Type Tricho so i found it noteworthy to add this plant.

Trichocereus KK242 Matucana

Trichocereus KK242 – Langa

Trichocereus Longispina KK1670

Trichocereus Longispina KK1670

This Clone was distributed by Karel Knize and the Plant on the Pictures was provided by our Friend Trout from troutsnotes.com! The Cutting was obtained in 2000. Another Seed grown KK1670 was distributed by Shaman Australis but doesn´t seem to be available at this Time.

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Knize gives as Place of Origin:

Trichocereus Longispinus KK1670 – Seeds originally collected from Cusco, Pisac, Peru at 2800m altitude.

This Picture is the One SAB has on their Site:

Trichocereus Longispinus SAB KK1670

Just like the Place of Origin already suggests, this is most likely some kind of Trichocereus Cuzcoensis Variety. New Spine growth is yellow and very spiny. Unfortunately, we don´t have any more Pics of this Type as a larger plant. We will add some more in the Future.
Where to get seeds or cuttings of KK1670 Trichocereus Longispinus?

Well, since this plant originally came from Knize, there aren´t that many sources for his plants or seeds but him. In addition to that, you might be lucky to get some cuttings from the SAB shop, who sold some of them every now and then. So far, I´ve only seen them available on the market once and only as a seedling. As this type is probably just one of the countless Cuzcoensis varieties out there, it will probably be labeled Trichocereus Peruvianus or Cuzcoensis on the open market and I don´t feel like it´s possible to distinguish it from other, similar Cuzcoensis specimens. The pics here show how variable the plant can be and it will be very hard to keep it apart from others.

If you bought this type of Trichocereus from Knize or someone else, please let me know because I´d love to see if this really deserves the name “longispinus”. From what I´ve seen in those pics, it´s not very different from some other Cuzcoensis Varieties that I know. I am currently thinking that it is nothing but a marketing name.

Trichocereus Carmaguensis KK1414

 Trichocereus Carmaguensis KK1414

Synonyms: Echinopsis Camarguensis

This is a very typical Trichocereus Camarguensis from Karel Knize. He assigned the collection number KK1414 for a collection site in Camargo, Bolivia, where this plant originally comes from. I don´t know how much variation is within this local population but from the looks of it, I´d say it´s pretty typical for a Trichocereus Camarguensis. The typus location of Trichocereus Camarguensis was Cochabamba. Those plants can get up to 1 meter in size and grow bent over. They have up to 15 ribs, 10-13 radial spines and 1-3 middle spines. What makes this plant special are the yellow, almost white spines that differentiate it from Trichocereus Strigosus or Trichocereus Randalli.

Flowers: The flowers can be up to 22 centimeters in size, white with purple green sepals.

Fruit: The fruit is very small and only approx. 2-4 centimeters in diameter.

Trichocereus Camarguensis occurs in Bolivia, near Camargo.

Like mentioned before, Knizes collection number for this type is KK1414. He offered it various times on his seedlist. Some as KK1414 var. Nanus, KK1414 var. Nana. Everytime, it was collected at around 2800 meters altitude. There also is a KK1413 but I do not have pics nor any other information about it than that it´s a Camarguensis too. From Camargo. It was on Knizes 2004 SEED & PLANTS List.

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KK340 Trichocereus cuzcoensis (Echinopsis)

KK340 Trichocereus cuzcoensis (Echinopsis)

KK340 Trichocereus cuzcoensis is a wild strain collected by Karel Knize. Knize´s numbers stand for regions instead of mother plants, which is why there are various different plants with this field number and not all are the same species. Most ended up to be Trichocereus cuzcoensis, but the photos show that at least some of them are Trichocereus peruvianus or close to it.  The first strain was on the 1998 seed list and Karel gave “Area Cuzco” as place of origin. It also turned up on his 1999 seed list as var. cuzcoensis. In the year 2000, Knize sold it through his cuttings list. He also sold it as seed and cuttings through his 2004 Seed list with the remarks “Cuzco, Huachac, 3200 meters”.

I lack more pics of this plant to say anything for certain. The pics of the relatively small cuttings that Knize sent look like a mix between Trichocereus Cuzcoensis and Trichocereus Peruvianus. There is no real source for seeds or plants, apart from maybe Karel Knize. But everytime I tried buying from him, he let me down and either sent me nothing or dead seed. I always wanted to do business with him but ended up being extremely disappointed and frustrated. Well, but enough of that.

This pic shows KK340 Trichocereus cuzcoensis and is from the Shaman Australis shop. It shows a rather typical Cuzcoensis with a bright green epidermis. The plant is currently out of stock but if you are interested to buy one, maybe send them a message and ask if they will get them again.

We are working on a Karel Knize Field Guide or database, but I do not know when it´ll be finished. If you have photos of KK plants, please send them over and we´ll include them.

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Those pics are from K.Trout – Troutsnotes.com

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KK336 Trichocereus Glaucus – Echinopsis Glauca

KK336 Trichocereus Glaucus

I am totally not sure if Knize´s Trichocereus Glaucus is actually the same plant that Friedrich Ritter described as Trichocereus Glaucus. Here is what I have about Knize´s KK336. He sold the plant for a very long time and collected them at various sites. The first one was sold through Knize 1999 seed list and is supposedly from Rio Tambo at around 1500 meters. The plants look totally different to what Ritter described so I am not sure how Knize got the idea that KK336 is actually a Glaucus. I assume it was only based on the glaucous epidermis, which is really very blue. He also sold it through the 2004 seed list using the remark “Rio Tambo, Arequipa, Peru”.

I am sure that there are many of those KK336 on the open market but most of them are probably labeled as Trichocereus Peruvianus, Macrogonus or simply San Pedro. All plants that I ever came across with the label Trichocereus Glaucus were more or less glaucous Perus.

The KK336 is definitely one of the coolest San Pedros that I´ve ever seen and it reminds me a lot of the dark blue Peruvianus from Matucana.

Where to buy seeds or plants of KK336: There sometimes are some american shops that sell this type on ebay. It´s been a while since I last saw one but they are definitely out there. Either as Trichocereus Glaucus, Macrogonus or Peruvianus. Knize also sold it as seed and live cuttings but I wrote about the shipping problems with him before.

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